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PoliteNewb wrote:I found that in about 20 seconds...note the first paragraph mention of a man being shot in the head with a shotgun slug.

While I don't object to your general theme. This is a terrible example, because Shotgun Shells are designed to break apart and not inflict as much structural bone damage as pistol or rifle round is.

Kaelik wrote:

PoliteNewb wrote:I found that in about 20 seconds...note the first paragraph mention of a man being shot in the head with a shotgun slug.

While I don't object to your general theme. This is a terrible example, because Shotgun Shells are designed to break apart and not inflict as much structural bone damage as pistol or rifle round is.

While most shotgun loads are shot loads (hence the name), which do indeed cause less bone damage, this was specifically mentioned to be a shotgun slug...that is a large, heavy solid bullet that weighs roughly an ounce in a 12 gauge gun...for comparison, it's about twice as heavy as the average bullet for a .30-06, and more than four times as heavy as the average 9mm pistol bullet. Considering it's fired at around 1500-1700 feet per second, it will cause considerable structural damage when it hits. Much more than any pistol, and more than many rifles, depending on range.

Murtak->

Pretty much! At the very minimum though, this was precisely the result Turkey wanted. And given that the *only* ship that had trouble was from Turkey, all the dead were from Turkey, and a Hezbollah-allied group was a big part of the Turkish delegation, I'm simply not inclined to believe in coincidences.

But still, the Israelis were fucking morons to board the ships anyway.

Data Vampire->

The other set of videos was released by Al Jazeera. It should still be in their website I think (it's the one shot in color, for comparison. The official Israeli tapes are black and white).

Polite Newb->

The Turkish news agency isn't claiming four bullet wounds that grazed the skull. The Turkish news agency is claiming that there are four bullets recovered inside the guy's head.

Meaning that you had four bullet that smashed right through the skull, if the "Anatolian News Agency" is correct.

You're right that a head won't explode like a melon. But with four hits to the skull it would be pretty mushed up.

Whereas what the actual autopsy guy told CNN is that multiple bullets were found in the body. While there are multiple wounds (possibly from the same bullet, or from paintball gun rounds) in the head.

So my guess? ABC and Anatolia got it wrong. The actual coroner and CNN got it right.

The Hammer->

That's not what your link is saying. Like, at all.

But anyway, you're not gonna change your minds anyway. So again, Death to the Judean Liberation Front!

I notice that if Israeli reports it, Zinegata calls it right. If they don't, he calls it wrong.

That's seems... Suspiciously like bias.

-Crissa

Crissa wrote:I notice that if Israeli reports it, Zinegata calls it right. If they don't, he calls it wrong.

That's seems... Suspiciously like bias.

-Crissa

Of course. Death to the Judean Liberation Front!

(Also, I wasn't aware the Istanbul Coroner and CNN were reporting for Israel now. But if they are, woohoo! More death to the Judean Liberation Front!)

I didn't know I started a meme only Zinegata would pick up.

Here's a new one.

Execute Order 66 !

The IDF admits to tampering with the evidence.

What a shock. I may have a heart attack.

Not mine, but... Somewhat appropriate. Image from a handbook about commando operations.

-Crissa

Nicklance wrote:I didn't know I started a meme only Zinegata would pick up.

Here's a new one.

Execute Order 66 !

Dude, everybody loves Life of Brian.

Zinegata wrote: That's not what your link is saying

Rubber bullets. You can have another link if you want~

The crack of an Israeli sound grenade and a hail of rubber bullets from above were supposed to disperse activists, but instead set them in motion. And when three Israeli commandos slid down ropes out of helicopters to take over the ship, a crowd set upon them.

Remember that video of the helicopter strike where American soldiers chewed up all of those civilians and reporters with machine guns? The military has arrested someone that they believe is responsible for leaking the video.

And medical professionals who were involved in the Central Intelligence Agency’s interrogations of terrorism suspects engaged in forms of human research and experimentation in violation of medical ethics and domestic and international law, according to a new report from Physicians For Human Rights.

not really news but related
http://jalopnik.com/5555628/bp-station- ... yond-irony

No news link to this one, just some ranting about people I know.

I recently had to de-friend a teabagger on my list because her and her idiot friends were complaining that not being allowed to volunteer to help clean the oil spill was the government going too far and that it was a waste to train people to clean it up.

I don't know if I ever got through to her that crude oil is highly dangerous and her dumb ass would probably sue the government when she got cancer and was dying five years from now if she was allowed. I used to do shit similar to this for a living (no crude, but I've handled deadly chemicals and cleaned up leaks and spills before of other toxics), and it pisses me off when a bunch of idiots think they have the privilege of doing my job and not realizing the danger.

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:I recently had to de-friend a teabagger on my list because her and her idiot friends were complaining that not being allowed to volunteer to help clean the oil spill was the government going too far and that it was a waste to train people to clean it up.

If they really want to help out, then they can volunteer to help rescue and clean oil-soaked wildlife. I have a few friends that are doing just that right now. It would certainly be more productive then whining about Obama on Facebook.

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:I don't know if I ever got through to her that crude oil is highly dangerous and her dumb ass would probably sue the government when she got cancer and was dying five years from now if she was allowed. I used to do shit similar to this for a living (no crude, but I've handled deadly chemicals and cleaned up leaks and spills before of other toxics), and it pisses me off when a bunch of idiots think they have the privilege of doing my job and not realizing the danger.

Probably not. You are talking about teabaggers, after all...

Christians protesting Mosque at community center in New York city turn and beat two of their own Christian protestors by mistake.

-Crissa

...and so it turns out that they were merely xenophobic nutters after all.

I made the mistake of reading some of the comments on that article. I usually avoid that, and I was just reminded of why.

The best line in that article was on the first page: Islam was hijacked by the terrorists [on 9/11].

RobbyPants wrote:I made the mistake of reading some of the comments on that article. I usually avoid that, and I was just reminded of why.

But they are comedy gold!

I am disappointed to read someone who has always seemed to be a careful journalist misrepresent the rally turnout and avoid the shady funding which is at the heart of this issue. I am tired of reading conscientious opponents to "Cordoba House" smeared as ignornat racists. Where is the mention of Imam Rauf's double life as a kindly cleric and prominent Islamist agitator? As the Post reported on Saturday, the website of the Malaysian group behind trying to break the Gaza blockade claims him as a prominent member. Why leave that out or fail to ask where the $4.85 million purchase price and $100 million renovation costs are coming from. Why doesn't it alarm every one of us -- "journalists" and politicians too -- that the very same animals that brought down the Twin Towers could be funding this offensive construction. The religion that includes those who will kill nuns over a cartoon should be a little more sensitive. Read "Death to America?" at {Link Removed}

No, that isn't racist at all. Sure.

Well that in itself isn't racist.

It's just a generic bald hatred of all things islamic with no recognition of variance.

Maybe the animal comment might be indicative of a racist feeling, but maybe he just really hates muslims.

Although, misspelling ignorant is pretty funny.

No, that is racist. We've had this argument before, there are small racists and blatant racists. They're still racists.

-Crissa

Crissa wrote:No, that is racist. We've had this argument before, there are small racists and blatant racists. They're still racists.

No really Crissa.

Here is a list of things he is upset about:

1) Shady funding
2) The existence of this Mosque.
3) A Particular Imam he hates.
4) Attempting to break the Gaza Blockade.
5) Some more shit about money.
6) The people responsible for Terrorist attack could be funding this Mosque.
7) Islam is a religion of murderers.

While 1 and 5 are almost certainly just cover for 3 and 7, and he probably hates all Imams, and 6 is only because he thinks all muslims are identical.

NONE OF THAT IS ABOUT RACE!

Islam is not a race. It is a religion. And while whoever attacked the Egyptian guys was probably racist, or at least really really really stupid, nothing this stupid commenter has said is racist.

Because Islam is not a race.

So if you want to say, "he's probably racist because people who hate an entire religion for the actions of a few probably also generalize to hating the most prevalent race(s) of that religion."

That's totally fine. But if you want to claim that he is racist because he has said something racist, point to the fucking racist thing he has said, because, once again Islam is not a race. And merely disagreeing with you about something does not in and of itself constitute racism.

Kaelik wrote:Islam is not a race. It is a religion.

Thank you. I was going to point that out.

Racism includes ethnic prejudice, and the United Nations acknowledges that there is no distinction between racial and ethnic discrimination.

Virgileso wrote:Racism includes ethnic prejudice, and the United Nations acknowledges that there is no distinction between racial and ethnic discrimination.

While I realize that the definition of "ethnic" includes religion, there is a big ethnic difference between the Muslims of Chechnya, Indonesia, Suriname, and Morocco. It's sort of like saying that Americans are all the same ethnicity.